Firstly, wives do not spank their husbands, because wives are not the authority. Nothing there comes down in your favor. They are under their husbands authority. Are teachers who have students stand in the corner unloving? We support healthy and equitable relationships that practice informed consent, demonstrate mutual respect, and allow each person to exercise and be supported in their autonomy. No. Would you accuse God of sin and pride? No simple rules will give her all the answers, and thus Paul does not attempt to give them. Passive, accessed December 31, 2018,https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/passive. The Church is losing people every year, and docs like Shiny Happy People are giving an illustration as to why. Read Lamentations one more time. You need to admit your mistake and your sin of judging your brother without any basis. as to the Lord (verse 22) Christianity is not what drives this man; the subjugation of women is. She is also vulnerable to all the violence done by the poorly raised youths, who are a product of that egalitarianism in the first place, as the progeny of broken homes comes back to beat, rape, and murder at will. I said that they were doing it for the childs good. She was trapped, regardless of how she was being treated. Her disrespectful language is abuse. Pauls instructions are not given to us to make submission easy, but to challenge us to godly living. You know very well they dont need it. He resists submission to the full. What about the wrong behavior of a husband, wouldnt it be prohibited in the Bible too? Moreover, MANY people would prefer to be disciplined that way than to be fined, demoted, or fired. Not many people will agree that domestic discipline is a good thing. In that text, Jesus was asked to elaborate on the exceptions, to specify in what exceptional cases divorce could be sought. Independence and feminism are what victimize women. John 14:15, If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Fathers commandments and abide in His love. He repeats his instructions three times, each time giving more detail as to what is required of the godly Christian wife is she is to be in submission to her husband. I pray that these women will be reached somehow and that these men will no longer get away with their abuse. Lesson 24 Submissive WivesReally? (Colossians 3:18) After all, he or she (women make up a third of bosses) has authority over you, and spanking is a legitimate way to manage subordinates in your view? 139 For the wife to submit, her husband does not have to be intelligent, wise, or a "spiritual leader." The fact that he is her husband is the only qualification . It is not said that he must be a Christian. It teaches female submission. The Church is losing people every year (in the West) because of unbelief in the Bible, and because of liberal Christianity. This is also clear in Genesis itself. If the man quits his job and becomes a bully at home, the woman has to accept it because hes the authority in the home. Divorce skyrocketed. Based on my research it is consensual but that doesnt mean that there might not be some women who may have initially consented to the fetish but regret or dont want to be a part of it anymore. You have failed to show it. Spanking is a legitimate form of correction, and after many tries, here and elsewhere, I have yet to hear a Christian provide any evidence it is wrong. The fact that men have authority in marriage is clear, not only from Ephesians 5, but from other New Testament passages which teach headship and submission. The ungodly woman, like the world in which she lives, is obsessed with outward appearances, rather than with inward character (see Matthew 6:1-18; 23:25-26; Luke 16:15). That is silly. What is Domestic Discipline and why are so many couples engaging in it? The modern egalitarian woman is incredibly vulnerable. There is something the Church actually has a problem with. How do you know that people were less suicidal, murderous and medicated? These sketches, based on a compilation of actual cases, underscore the need to counsel in the heart of Proverbs 18:13 with the wisdom of 2 Timothy 3:16-17. Her negligence is abuse. What to do about disobedient wife.. - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums However, in your feminist and secular society, you have no problem making men the victims. Spanking is not obeying Jesus commandment to love Him. I (and I hope you) consider both of these things to be demeaning, abusive and horrible ways of testing power. Youve got to twist it to suit your desires. You are stating your opinion. I'm so down right now. He respected Mr. Ramaswamy's acumen as a businessman worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Thats silly. That means you need to accept that punishment is in full harmony with love. Her disrespect is wrong. Obedience and repentance is Gods will for us. Hmm. It needs to learn, not lecture. In verses 23 and 24, Paul writes that the basis for the submission of the wife to her own husband is the duty of the church in relationship to its Head, Jesus Christ. they produce children, and they do a better job at raising them. To them its marital abuse. He self corrects. And what does he get out of their CDD lifestyle aside from her obedience? Yet you are insisting that something God explicitly endorses many times is somehow wrong when it befalls a wifes dear bottom. New Living Translation An elder must live a blameless life. In fact, he expresses concern that it might embolden counselors to make hasty decisions concerning the woman before they understand her. I am a proud feminist, but I also grew up going to a Baptist Church in Scotland. Thats a very foolish argument. So stop using that argument. Several years ago, I was speaking at a missions conference in India. 3:1-4). What about Do unto others.? Are governments who arrest men, and send them to prison, breaking up their family, costing them their job, and exposing them to repeated violent assault unloving? 34 For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand, 35 Until I make Thine enemies a footstool for Thy feet. I am relieved to see others calling CDD what it is: abuse. To scourge means to punish. We could go on and on. God has given him that authority. I am not naive as you claim. My website is about discipline of wives. As for jumping from abusive bf to abusive bf, its good that you recognise that male violence is far more widespread than just a few rotten apples in the tiny minority. 23. The Submission of the Christian Wife (Ephesians 5:21-32) Yes, the Bible talks of God chastising His people but no where does it mention anything about a husband spanking his wife. I would guess that if you pulled these women aside and asked them if they want the beatings to stop, almost all of them would say yes. A wife is to be active enough that she can serve God and serve her husband in a conscientious and lively way, and passive enough that she is fully able to listen and obey. The Bible also teaches strongly against the wicked behavior that a wife does to end up getting spanked. Gods rules apply to both men and women, not only to wives. The third example of a wifes submission is that of reverence or respect for her husband. Doing nothing would have been to her advantage, and acting as she did put her at great risk. It would be good for churches to speak out against domestic discipline. When it comes to husbands, they have the basic authority to discipline their wives. . It is a loving punishment, when done justly and with self control. Get rid of your ego/entitlement and encourage your fellow brothers to do the same. If you truly cared about the protection of women (as opposed to the domination of us), you would have some understanding and compassion toward the suffering that so many women under these conditions go through. To fail to submit is to disobey our Lord, to dishonor the word of God (1 Timothy 6:1; Titus 2:5), and to distort the representation of Christ and His church, not only to the world, but to the angelic witnesses as well (see 1 Corinthians 11:10; Ephesians 3:8-11; 1 Peter 1:12). Modesty, on the other hand, would not draw attention to oneself, and thus the prominence which should bear witness to the husbands headship would be given to him. A Christian wife should live with a difficult husband so that he is attracted to Christ by her behavior. So we are at an impass. 1 John 5:2. Sources: Domestic Discipline Online; Daily Mail; The Daily Beast; Aeon; The Daily Mail; Very Well Mind. Then, depending on the infraction, he uses the tool that would best apply. Thats nonsense and weve been over that topic already. Corporal punishment has been used for thousands of years on both adults and children. Again, when I put up a website specifically about crime, law, violence in society, you will see more material that relates to correcting men who are violent. Even if the bible does not explicitly prevent wife disciplining, there are millions of us in good marriages who know it can be done without it. However, she has daily access to all she needs. In contrast, a wife is being disobedient to God, and unloving, if she refuses her husbands authority. Spanking then is well within their authority, and is both permitted and mandated as a punishment throughout the Bible by a loving God. This means that she must understand the doctrine of salvation. It helps his wife, it helps his marriage, and it helps the home which is a fountain of life. The wifes privilege and high calling is to symbolically represent the church in its submission the Lord Jesus Christ, its Head. There are not restrictions specified or implied as to the scope of her submission to her husband. Where is the evidence? The Oxford Dictionary defines passive as accepting or allowing what happens or what others do, without active response or resistance.[2] Another description of a passive husband is one who refuses to lead his wife, spiritually or otherwise. Then I guess you attack your own faith, and refute the truth of the Bible. This is all in addition to being (physically) weaker. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands. We do not have that data. Whats actually wrong is the bad behavior of wives which leads them to be justly punished: Her badmouth is wrong. It is the just use of authority by the one in authority. Notice the central and common element in all three statements: Christ. I personally believe that while parents have the God given authority to discipline their children, it is God and God alone who should have and exercise the authority to discipline husbands and wives. Moreover, its not the only thing the Bible teaches authoritatively about love. 1 Peter 3:7 - Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them . Considering you cannot show there is anything wrong with the form of discipline known as spanking, then he may use this. He looked for those occasions where his submissive spirit could work its way out in practice. For what son is not disciplined by his father? Werent you a self-professed player? Yet there exists a paradox. Erroneous beliefs are always confusing. Let me illustrate what I am saying from the life of a very godly woman, whose name was Abigail, as found in 1 Samuel chapter 25. She needs to look at her own wrong, and not blame the authority for correcting her. The New Testament teaches the goodness of chastisement, which is only for a short time, but bears the fruit of righteousness. When it was over, the pastor returned alone and told the others that his wife wouldnt be joining them for dinner. We appreciate your support! In lieu of trusting a man, and submitting as they are supposed to, many women are far more vulnerable than before. Humble yourself, seek forgiveness, and place yourself under Christ and under your man. I dont believe that a wife should spank her husband either. English Standard . [4] Stuart Scott, An Exemplary Husband: A Biblical Perspective, Revised Edition. We urge faith leaders, advocates, and community leaders and members to stand against violence in all its forms, especially when it is masked by religious language or cultural norms., On another blog, CDD is defined as being founded on the same principles as other traditional Christian marriages. I stand up for myself against false accusations, and ignorant insults from people like you. Very Well Mind gives the following comparison between abuse and domestic discipline: Even though there doesnt seem to be much difference between abuse and domestic discipline, there are those who believe that women should be grateful when they are spanked. This is true submission, acting on behalf of another, for their benefit, at your expense. He is an abuser, clear and simple. An elder must be blameless, faithful to his wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. To the men I would say that Adam could have refused to eat the fruit, I am sure God would have provided him with another wife. It never does! Peter exhorted them, Husbands, likewise, dwell with them with understanding, giving honor to the wife, as to the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life, that your prayers may not be hindered (1 Peter 3:7). Legally and philosophically, the burden of proof is on the person who makes the claim, not the person who rejects that claim. Number one, love as described in 1 Corinthians 13 is in harmony with loving discipline, because a loving husband, who does all of those things described in the passage, will still discipline when necessary. The Bible itself is our source of truth, and it nowhere condemns spanking. The only people who would be afraid of Christianity because of a movie that slanders Christians are those who know little about it in the first place. I know the Bible and I know it does not support you spanking your wife no matter how much you claim it does. That is the family. Its a consensual fetish. The Bible in no way, shape, or form indicates that a husband is to discipline/spank his wife. You simply want to ignore the fact it is the punished wife who is breaking Gods law in the Bible, and NOT the husband who spanks her. You have no passages from Scripture, nor do you have logical proof. If they did, they wouldnt abuse and mistreat them under some misguided notion that they are disciplining them. No. Parents would all have to cease doing them. Not a woman on welfare with children with no father, or an old woman with two dogs. The basis for the wifes submission is the relationship of Jesus Christ and His church. How may a husband discipline his wife? - Verse By Verse Ministry Its clearly just your own opinions and your own wrong definition of love. There is no way that we can, in and of our own strength, submit. It is sexual perversion. In that way, she can fulfill her role as a godly woman and wife. They are bullies. So you can keep making all the slanderous claims about men you want, but you are wrong, and this society would call you a hater and a bigot if you said those things about any other group. Heads were covered as well as the rest of the body. Unless a husband regularly inflicts corporal punishment on himself, there is no reason to use this passage to justify inflicting it upon his wife. That is man made not biblical doctrine. It is the fire and brimstone teaching that is pushing people away. Moreover, Scripture mandates corporal punishment clearly multiple times, so we know for a fact that spanking is not inherently wrong. The stories are about real people who made mistakes but from whom we can learn. That is what a godly wife does. I believe that being financially dependent, conditioned to not stand up for yourself/have boundaries and to sacrifice everything to the whims/needs/desires of another fallible human being, along with being uneducated, is an extremely vulnerable position to be in as a woman. Men arent entitled to spank their wives. 33 Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear. The first example of submission is that of the silence140 of the wife. As far as speaking about the incredible increase in filth, immorality, and violence by women, half the time that is in response to people like YOU, who are trying to make patriarchy look bad, and make their soft brand of feminism look good. I couldnt handle the pain of spankings anymore, emotionally or physically. What happened with this being consensual? When the wife is disobedient, disrespectful or in other ways naughty she deserves and needs to be disciplined and the husband should bare her bottom and spank it literally black and blue. He has the right to discipline her just as any other authority uses discipline. Joanna, You have failed to demonstrate that spanking is wrong. All of your claims are refuted by Scripture, which show that love is in harmony with discipline, and discipline is often painful. This just proves my point that you are misrepresenting the Word of God. Once in marriage, this question must be laid aside. Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. Slavery was once commonplace, as was eugenics, as was committing women to asylums because reading too many novels meant they had hysteria. They also didnt take psychiatric drugs so often, get on dope, or commit suicide. Love includes discipline in the Bible, many times over, including very harsh discipline. She must grow in faith, trusting that God is leading her and sanctifying her, not only when her husband plays his role well, but when he does not. If not, there is awaiting you that dreaded day when you will bow, not in humble and grateful submission, but by subjection. She knew that he would forbid what she was about to do. Every single Christian employer who disciplined his workers would be lacking too. The government might break Gods law, but you and I still need to obey the law, and the authorities will arrest us if we do not. NOR do I need a mandate from Scripture to teach wife spanking. Punishment in general, when just, is well within the purposes of love, and men in any authority position may give punishment while remaining a loving man. The man has authority, and discipline comes with that. The dynamic created by the CDD lifestyle is one of power and control where the husband acts as Head of Household and exercises total control and authority over the wifes daily activities and decisions, enforcing strict rules that, if broken, result in corporeal punishment. You can try all you like to turn the tables like an immature adolescent but the behavior that the Bible condemns is not spanking, but much of what a wife does that gets her spanked in the first place. Her refusal of affection is abuse. 1. That is why men, as well as many women, seek out discipline for their marriage.
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