Question never get so close to the vehicle in front that you cannot stop safely If you are at a crossroads with a roundabout with cars at all 4 junctions ready to enter the roundabout and if you have to give way to the right " then nobody moves because everyone is on the right . But then, of course, there are many morons around who just cut across without making full circle (and breaking rule 188, which clearly prohibits that). Left lane is for first and 2nd exits, indicating on the approach for first and after 1st for 2nd, even if there is a car to your left making a pigs ear of it the safe route is to come about, under no circumstance can you drive into the side of another vehicle after you have seen them, and you ALWAYS HAVE TO CHECK YOUR MIRRORS, before committing to exiting the roundabout, Prof drivers glance over there left shoulder as well. I'm talking about a double lane roundabout . You are describing a standard roundabout, any more then 4 exits is called a giratory and entry/on roundabout and exits are marked on the road itself. It says: give priority to vehicles approaching from the right. Sorry mandy thats about it really, I would ask the police complaints as well as the judge, why the police did not interview everyone in the car with you, you might also want to see if there is any cctv that covered that junction, your lawyer can demand access to any evidence that the police are relying on for the prosecution, also get the names/numbers of th epolice officers who attended the incident. How To Approach Roundabouts In The UK A systematic collection of laws or statutes: select the appropriate lane on approach to and on the roundabout. Be about to definition: If you are about to do something, you are going to do it very soon . I wish people would use 1st 2nd and 3rd exit, ok, so ifnthe car pulled along side you at the 2nd exit, then I must assume you are still correctly in lane 2, I can only assume the other driver did not expect you to change lanes unless you had indicated your intent to do so, if you did not indicate then I can only assume the other driver thought you was going to exit after them, in which case they are correct to use the vacant lane, if you did indicate then they are wrong to have pulled out. How To Navigate Roundabouts. This is really easy my son. We were halfway passed the 2nd exit when he tried to overtake us to still catch the 2nd exit. I believe that Emergency Vehicle have to obey the rules of the road, so a Police car suddenly entering a roundabout without giving way, which might result in you having to do an emergency stop, which also results in the car behind you hitting the rear of your vehicle, is culpable as the cause of the accident, and the car behind is also culpable. Top tip: Imagine the roundabout is a clock, and that you always enter it at 6 o'clock. The Highway code does not state that. A roundabout is designed to be driven at a low speed. Just so you know there is no such thing at 12 o'clock rule. Roundabout sign. Of course it is illegal, but they always get away with it. Got a scenario that's been bugging me. An example - Im joining from a side road( speed limit on main road is 40mph) via a mini roundabout and turning right, indicator is on. Most car drivers do not know their speed limits or that of other road users, in most speed awareness courses only 15% of people in a class of 22 get this question right. However not everyone wants to merge in turn. the car behind might be observing the standard think / break distance rules but only notices the emergency stop after he diverts attention away from the police service vehicle banking around the roundabout. the mark on the road change in some areas. Any mistakes you make in this area . Then continues: By adding watch out for road users already in the roundabout. Left lane must turn left. i had to take the first exit so i went to the inside lane which was ONLY LEFT TURN. Keep it simple to match their ability. Shouldnt have to indicate going straight over and using either lane to exit on a right turn is just dangerous amd prevents traffic flowing as efficently as it could, rules need revision. I was harassed and intimidated at the weekend by a driver who was in the wrong lane at a roundabout. I was always told during my driving lessons in 1977 that if you have already entered a roundabout before a car from your right side then I would have priority as already on the roundabout. Everyone is wrong. However, people on the side road may not be able to see this person if it's a blind corner. Visit our website for more info highway1.co.nz, I found this article very informative about "". Are you serious, volume of traffic makes no difference, unless directed by an official ( police etc ), traffic on the approach NEVER UNDER ANY OTHER CIRCUMSTANCE does approaching traffic have right of way over traffic on the roundabout, never, so you just have to wait. Maintain your speed. I would say 80 % of car drivers stop and then look, you must look on the approach unless there is a stop line. Approach these in the same way as normal roundabouts. I'm wondering how the scenario would play out - the highway code is the officially recognised handbook for learner drivers. Negotiating Intersections - PennDOT Driver & Vehicle Services Are we there?! Other dude was in left lane intending to turn right. And what about the witless, the confused, the strangers who are unsure? Thanks again for your input. Can you please tell me which junction so I can look it up on google maps, the short answer is no, the center bit is not part of the highway and must never be used as if it was so that is a def conviction on its own, according to the law you drove off road, the car that blocked the road should have left the road clear for you to use but 2 wrongs do not make a right, the 2nd immediate point is that you must also never follow traffic at junctions but always " drive for yourself ", just because the car in front of you went does not mean they did so legally or safely, If the law is fair you should both get done for the same reason driving off road. Part 2 Or have I misunderstood something here? I can tell you that professional drivers are looking at other road users for any sign of trouble, lane drifting .. sudden changes of speed - slow fast slow fast how often the brake lights come on - showing they are not controlling their speed, the list is endless, and for professional drivers there is never nothing to do when driving. There is a phrase " when in doubt come about" and as I am sure you can figure it means to use the first exit as the 5th if you are not sure,in your defence ( not that one is needed as you are not under attack ) it is true a u turn can mean another hour on the road so I take your point on that, Anyway I am at work and have to offload my truck, then its the drive back to the depot, I am 50 Jeane and very single. Paul, I only C&Pd what the HC saidhttp://www.highwaycode.info/rule/151 Apparently insurance companies have a different highway Cade to the one we would fail our test will, or get pulled by a police officer. As I approached the roundabout I knew I was going straight over the roundabout, the traffic was particularly congested all over the roundabout and so I had to ensure I did not approach the roundabout in the wrong lane because it would have been a danger to other road users for me to try to change lanes, even more so because the traffic was so slow and congested. wil have to post a separate conclusion wish the windowwas bigger. Hi Paul But yes absolutly send pictures to any company who has drivers using the phone behind the wheel, the guy should have been sacked for it. The way you handle roundabouts has to do with which direction you're travelling. 1970 was when I first started to drive since that date I have had HGV III, II and I tests motor cycle and PLC and I was always taught that anything after the second exit should be treated as turning right. PS it is true he did not indicate, but maybe he gave you credit for common sense, defensive driving techniques should have told you to wait and see what he does when there is no indicater. I drive a vintage Land Rover and often I get to a roundabout and look each way and if clear enter it, but then a car approaches at speed from my right and tries to shoot over the roundabout only to find my vehicle in the middle in the process of turning right. I was in the right lane and intending to go straight ahead (12 oclock) This is not covered in the Highway Code. If you are turning right at the roundabout, you should take the right-hand lane or keep right on the road. Turning right at a roundabout. Not that youd care I would assume being all high and pompous. What really angers me are the drivers who go around the roundabout in the left hand lane, round the edge, if you will, and then cause problems to drivers legitimately trying to change to the left hand lane to take their exit. Top 10 reasons for failing the driving test in Great Britain I thought you always only need to indicate left just before your exit. it is illegal to stop without cause on a trunk road/motorway but if traffic stops for whatever reason then you have to stop on the trunk road/motorway, if you have no choice because of traffic coming to halt then no it is not illegal, where do you people get your ideas from ? Cheers. If so, how far away do they have to be before you dont give priority? New drivers often find roundabouts tricky, but once youve grasped the basis of how they work, you will soon find it easy to approach and enter them safely. A second lorry (B) approached the roundabout behind me at my six oclock and took the first turning off the roundabout left, at my 9 oclock. Cam guy in correct lane to go straight on (at the time this was taken), woman in audi using wrong lane to blast through. 2nd exit ( 2 options depending on cars in front ) You then rely on any witnesses coming forward to say how far away those vehicles were when you emerged. these sections are further broken down into "rules". 1 .. You fail to drive according to the road and simply follow the mistakes of the car in front of you rather then think for yourselves -- Any PDF edit for US or UK Bank Statements, Pay Stubs, Payslips, T4, W-200 or any other documents. on a non standard roundabout just come all the way around the roundabout passing your exit once. I have made a complaint and attached a copy of Rule 188 to get a retest or pass. When giving way to people approaching from the right, does this mean just people already on the roundabout approaching from the right, or people on the right hand approach road to the roundabout as well ? Cam driver, you should have been checking your os mirror throughout the manouvere, if you had you would have seen that car coming alongside you, 2nd he was NOT indicating right and as such was not taking the 3rd exit as such the safe assumption would be that he was in fact taking the same exit as you, as you both enter the roundabout the car has half a car length in front of you so you can clearly see him and at this stage the idiot warning bells should be loud and clear in your head that the other driver is going to do something stupid, also he is going faster then you for a reason and you should have known that the reason was to jump you at the roundabout. Hi not sure if this has been discussed already - sorry if it has. Or I ended up cutting him up. The great thing about this rule is that it applies equally to all roundabouts, unless signs/markings say otherwise. Although there are 2 lanes after the keep clear, this is to aid drivers exiting the area on the left (as the bus is doing) there isn't actually two lanes on the entry. 6 months on the police have decided to take me to court for careless driving based on the driver's statement which says I drove out in front of her and apparently admitted it at the scene (which of course I didn't, as it was my right of way being on the roundabout already). The lorry (A) approached the roundabout at my 3 oclock and I approached the roundabout at 6 oclock, we were both exiting the roundabout at my 12 oclock. Hi. If I was to assess this for insurance purposes I would put it at 60 % car 40 % cam driver, if as I suspect cam driver is in something bigger then a car then I would put Cam driver at 60% and Car at 40%, 2 points. Paul, what you are saying is you can drive your lorry onto the island ignore the give way lines or slow down then broadside somone who has already entered the island and its their fault !! If there are two cars facing each other, 12 and 6 o'clock, and no one on their right, they both want the same exit, and one car is turning left for it and the other car is turning right. A key aim of the strategy is the retention of talented staff thorough adopting a more flexible I have a busy roundabout nearby with 4 exits. The lorry (B) remained stationary on the left turn and me stationary in the left lane on the roundabout - just before the bollard on the central reservation between the exit and entry turn for Beverage Lane West. ~ is that an accurate picture ???? Hi all, There is a notorious roundabout In South Manchester at the junction of Moseley Road and Birchfields . I dont think the insurers will apportion all of the blame to either of you, but a percentage will be attributed to both, my final analysis depends on several factors, so here it is in terms of blame. When approaching a roundabout, you should always: Answers Increase your speed. Though the big problem you would have with that action. Roundabouts: Who Has the Right-of-Way? | NWDS - Northwest Driving School Q ; did you check your mirror before attempting to pass your original exit and try for the 3rd one ? Drive with caution and be ready to stop. Did you indicate ??? Turning left at a roundabout. 3 .. Introduction The Talent Management Business Strategy describes the Council's current and future approach to attracting, recruiting, developing and retaining talent. I would take the left hand lane to allow those who want to turn right to do so. Here's the problem. Can I just check that I'm right about this as the Highway Code doesn't specify this. Am I right or wrong? We are also provider of vehicle mount arrow boards. Take a look at this and tell me who's in the wrong? Approach the roundabout carefully and make use of the MSM routine (mirror, signal, manoeuvre). Hi Paul I think it still is important to know that we never drove left into the 2nd exit and never indicated or gave any signs that we wanted to take the 2nd exit. Maintain your speed. Driver (A) stated in an email I had entered into a third lane - this would have been impossible because I was already on the roundabout when the lorry (B) entered the roundabout behind me - The lorry (B) would not have been able to enter the roundabout and begin to take the first left turn if I had not inched my car forwards towards the tipper truck before we both became stationary. Roundabout near where I live has a left turn and a straight on. 6. As you come into the middle of the roundabout you are using 2 lanes where you should have stayed left throughout ( the width of the roundabout and 4 exits mean its a 2 lane roundabout ), as you come away from the roundabout just before you exit the direction of the car clearly shows he is leaving at the same exit as you so at this point I would start braking and give him the road esp as you can see the exit has a short run off area for traffic to merge, and there it is as you exit he is still slightly in front and well within your field of vision, I think teh cam driver saw red and refused to give up the road space because cam driver felt it was his road. Why should their cautious driving slow everyone else down? This will help you know which exit to take. Signal left when you're approaching your exit. The rule say give way to cars on the right and cars on the roundabout have right of way to cars not on the roundabout. Approach in lane 2 indicating right on the approach, stay in lane 2 until opposite 2nd exit or as car on left moves off the roundabout ( again check mirrors, make sure the cars on left have actually left/are leaving the roundabout, if they have changed their mind and there is a single lane on exit then indicate right and come about, do not get into a battle over right of way, if this happens make sure the car on next approach is stopping for you ), once you are satisfied and only then, the car to your left has/is leaving roundabout then indicate left and move to 1st lane, leave indicator on until you have exited the roundabout. 2 lane roundabout: If you are turning left or going ahead then you will need to use the left hand lane. On this occasion I was in a steady moving stream of traffic travelling straight over. The answer is simple it all depends on what other traffic is doing, for example if you are approaching and say 3 cars in front are indicating and have their wheels turned left ( always a good indication as to what the car in front is actually doing by looking at the wheels ), then using the 2nd lane ( even applies with no road markings providing there is room ) to take the 2nd exit is allowable, the clue for the other road users that if you are taking the 2nd exit then you should NOT be indicating on the approach, but must turn or drift into lane 1 as soon as you have cleared the cars in front, but not forgetting to look over your shoulder for the idiot factor who has either, changed their mind or the car behind you putting their foot down to prevent you from leaving at 2nd exit. https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/appendix-roundabouts. What other direction? I well aware of the right side ruling with roundabouts but what I want to know is that if I've already entered the roundabout and a car from my right side has not then who has priority over who. "Marcin 6/4/2018 02:45:09 PM If going straight ahead (considered to be anywhere between 11 and 1 on the clock) thendo not indicate until you are passing the exit prior to the one you want, If you are taking an exit after the 1 position then be in the right hand lane (if there is one) and stay to the right as you go round, indicating all the time. -- Quick turnaround, most within 24 hours Usually, traffic approaching the roundabout gives way to traffic which is approaching from the right by stopping at a 'Give Way' marking. if yes then I can only assume the outer lane was a dedicated exit lane for that junction, if not and it was marked for the exit after/to stay on the roundabout then that strengthens your case as he crossed lanes to exit the roundabout, if both had been marked for exit then that makes your case weaker as the road markings would indicate both cars in both lanes need to stay in lane on the exit, and, once must assume there was a merge point further along of the 2nd exit, it also means you crossed 2 lanes if the outer was a dedicated lane. All About Roundabouts | Midrive At not time did I say, and noether does the Highway Code, that all roundabout should be treated as having two lanes at entry. The other driver was for sure distracted, and that was what my passenger's statement would have proved. give way to the vehicle coming from the right is the rule. I dont want to blame the other party for everything and I understand that if it was our fault that we have to pay. Q: Yes, of course we checked our mirror and there was nobody next or near us, as I said, the other party must have been really fast or speeded up to reach us in such a short time So does the car already on the roundabout have priority over the car from the right who has not as yet entered? Before you switch lanes, check that the lane is clear . it was a very wide roundabout and I landed up behind a tipper truck (C), I did not enter lorry (As) lane, I did not overtake him in the left hand lane on the roundabout, I always maintained a safe distance behind him so that I could anticipate if he wanted to start to change lanes if and when necessary and I would be able to see him indicate. Suddenly, the examiner spun the steering wheel to the right. -- Any Statements from any US/Canadian Bank can be changed. Maintain your speed. If there is a jam and traffic is stationary they may chose to leave a gap for you, in this case, but that is there choice to give way and not your right. We have a roundabout just near us that causes soooo much stress wen trying to pick the correct lane (I was told to stay in the right hand lane passing the left hand take off then to indicate right and go straight on into my junction but others stay in the left lane and try to race past me which is bloody annoying and scary-just wanna do it right so as if sum1 rams into me that I'll not be blamed) thanks if u can help ;). On the highway, slower vehicles should use the right lane. I was in the lane marked 'ahead only'. As I attempted to exit another vehicle undertook me and sounded their horn since to them I appeared to be crossing their right of way. Just so you know there is no such thing at 12 o'clock rule. Be safe. What is already in the roundabout is limited by the size of the roundabout. You must come to a complete stop. Roundabouts > Frequently Asked Questions > How do I drive in a roundabout If you intended to take the 3rd exit then you should have been moving from lane 2 to 1after the 2nd exit so that upon exiting the roundabout you did not cut across 2 lanes. It's also illegals to queue on a trunk road so sometimes you have to use both lanes. And all because he was in the wrong lane at a roundabout! If you picture the roundabout as a clock face, any exit from 6 o'clock (where you're entering) to 12 o'clock, you use the left lane. If you are driving on a dual carriage way and you approach a round about that also has dual carriage way ends signs on them. Roundabouts in the UK - Driving Rules for Learners Maintain your speed. I dont understand what you mean by opposite direction, if the exit after your entry was the 2nd exit in relaton to the other vehicle then he should not have to indicate until after the first exit in relation to the other vehicle, 2nd if a vehicle is not indicating to come off the roundabout you should ALWAYS, ALWAYS AND ALWAYS assue they are staying on the roundabout until you are sure, in any collision the vehicle whose damage is on the offside would normally deemed to be at fault whch is why the onus is on you to make sure when pulling out into the path of other vehicles. Is it illegal to deliberately use the incorrect lane on a roundabout in order to beat queuing traffic? Everything you need to know about mini-roundabout including rules, who has priority and how to signal when approaching and leaving a mini roundabout. In slow-moving traffic. So no contradiction - when you approach the R'bout, you give way to traffic to already on the R'bout, and to your right, Could you explain the Corynton Roundabout please ? I had some idiot do this to me close to a light controlled junction, I had just turned left at the lights & within about 50 yards, had to make a left into a side road. If someone is on the roundabout, should the car approaching from the right and not yet on the roundabout (or even at the give way lines) give way to cars already entering the roundabout, because, perhaps, they couldn't see the driver on the approach road until they had already committed to entering the roundabout. Coming off a roundabout, around two car lengths off the exit there was a road island. -- Over 12 years experience helping individuals and businesses fix their papers!